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Tuesday, June 15, 2010
Does Romans 5 Teach Arminianism?
The Arminian:
Romans 5:1-2 - It is through faith that we are made a part of Christ.
Romans 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Response: Let’s look at the rest of the context and see what we can see.
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
For all of the above limitations on scope, we, us, our and many, there are a few places the Arminian will cite, v. 6 “the ungodly” and v. 18 “free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
First, v. 6 does not say “all the ungodly.” It is further clarified in v. 8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” It says to us, while we and for us. Not for everyone. The reference to “the ungodly” is to us “while we were yet sinners.” As v. 6 says, while WE were without strength.
Second, v. 18, cannot have the Arminian meaning. It is either universal, or must be taken a different way. Why? Because of the words “unto justification.” If all men are not justified, then this verse cannot mean what the Arminian says.
For instance, are these contradictory?
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
One verse says all have sinned and the other says many were made sinners. There is no contradiction, the verses are not intended to convey the same exact message. Nor is the many to be taken as merely a subset of the all. No, they are intended to convey different things.
What does this passage teach?
1. The love of God is shed abroad in our (Christian) hearts.
2. When we (Christians) were without strength, Christ died for the ungodly.
3. God commended his love toward us (Christians.)
4. While we (Christians) were sinners, Christ dies for us (Christians.)
5. We (Christians), having been justified, will be saved.
6. While we (Christians) were enemies, we (Christians) were reconciled.
7. Since we (Christians) are reconciled, we (Christians) will be saved.
8. We (Christians) have received atonement.
9. They which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness (Christians) shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
There is no room for a universal redemption and no room for a discourse on conditional election. God did it all.
1. God shed his love in our (Christians) hearts by the Holy Ghost.
2. Holy Ghost is given to us (Christians.)
3. Christ died for “the ungodly,” clearly referring to us (Christians.)
4. God commendeth his love toward us (Christians.)
5. Christ died for us (Christians.)
6. Christ justified us (Christians) by his blood.
7. Christ will save us (Christians) from wrath.
8. By Christ’s death, we (Christians) were reconciled to God.
9. By Christ’s life, we (Christians) will be saved.
10. Christ gave the atonement to us (Christians.)
If you do not see that the pronouns limit this to Christians, then all of those refer to men in general. Then you see all men are given Holy Ghost, God commends his love toward everyone in that Christ died for everyone. Everyone is justified by his blood. Christ will save everyone. Christ reconciled everyone. Christ atoned for everyone.
The only consistent conclusion is either universalism, which is not remotely true, or the Calvinist view. The context demands the Calvinist view.
Yes, we (Christians) are justified by faith and by faith we have access, but this is not inconsistent with Calvinism.
Where does faith come from? Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Every man does not refer to every man who ever lived, it refers directly to the “every man that is among you.” (Christians) No universalism here either.
Monergism. It is all of God.
Romans 5:1-2 - It is through faith that we are made a part of Christ.
Romans 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Response: Let’s look at the rest of the context and see what we can see.
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
For all of the above limitations on scope, we, us, our and many, there are a few places the Arminian will cite, v. 6 “the ungodly” and v. 18 “free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
First, v. 6 does not say “all the ungodly.” It is further clarified in v. 8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” It says to us, while we and for us. Not for everyone. The reference to “the ungodly” is to us “while we were yet sinners.” As v. 6 says, while WE were without strength.
Second, v. 18, cannot have the Arminian meaning. It is either universal, or must be taken a different way. Why? Because of the words “unto justification.” If all men are not justified, then this verse cannot mean what the Arminian says.
For instance, are these contradictory?
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
One verse says all have sinned and the other says many were made sinners. There is no contradiction, the verses are not intended to convey the same exact message. Nor is the many to be taken as merely a subset of the all. No, they are intended to convey different things.
What does this passage teach?
1. The love of God is shed abroad in our (Christian) hearts.
2. When we (Christians) were without strength, Christ died for the ungodly.
3. God commended his love toward us (Christians.)
4. While we (Christians) were sinners, Christ dies for us (Christians.)
5. We (Christians), having been justified, will be saved.
6. While we (Christians) were enemies, we (Christians) were reconciled.
7. Since we (Christians) are reconciled, we (Christians) will be saved.
8. We (Christians) have received atonement.
9. They which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness (Christians) shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
There is no room for a universal redemption and no room for a discourse on conditional election. God did it all.
1. God shed his love in our (Christians) hearts by the Holy Ghost.
2. Holy Ghost is given to us (Christians.)
3. Christ died for “the ungodly,” clearly referring to us (Christians.)
4. God commendeth his love toward us (Christians.)
5. Christ died for us (Christians.)
6. Christ justified us (Christians) by his blood.
7. Christ will save us (Christians) from wrath.
8. By Christ’s death, we (Christians) were reconciled to God.
9. By Christ’s life, we (Christians) will be saved.
10. Christ gave the atonement to us (Christians.)
If you do not see that the pronouns limit this to Christians, then all of those refer to men in general. Then you see all men are given Holy Ghost, God commends his love toward everyone in that Christ died for everyone. Everyone is justified by his blood. Christ will save everyone. Christ reconciled everyone. Christ atoned for everyone.
The only consistent conclusion is either universalism, which is not remotely true, or the Calvinist view. The context demands the Calvinist view.
Yes, we (Christians) are justified by faith and by faith we have access, but this is not inconsistent with Calvinism.
Where does faith come from? Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Every man does not refer to every man who ever lived, it refers directly to the “every man that is among you.” (Christians) No universalism here either.
Monergism. It is all of God.
Wednesday, June 9, 2010
Did Job Sin With His Lips? Arminians say, "Yes."
Job 2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.
6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes.
9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
Did Job sin with his lips when he said, "What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?"
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.
6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes.
9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
Did Job sin with his lips when he said, "What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?"
Did Job Charge God Foolishly? Arminians say, "Yes."
Job 1
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
13 And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
Did Job charge God foolishly when he said, "the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away?"
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
13 And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
Did Job charge God foolishly when he said, "the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away?"
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